COMMENT: When will the christobots notice that whenever they take a stand against science they lose? So sad.  Username: obviousman | On: December 28, 2008 at 9:37 a.m.

RESPONSE: Science has YET to prove that there is a gay gene.  EVIDENCE: Hamer and Genes: In 1993, Dr. Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute studied 40 pairs of non-identical twin gay brothers and claimed that 33 of the pairs had inherited the same X-linked genetic markers, thus indicating a genetic cause for homosexuality. Source: Hamer, Dean. "A Linkage Between DNA Markers on the X Chromosome and Male Sexual Orientation," Science, 261, July 16, 1993, p. 321- 327. The argument is misleading and exaggerated for two reasons: 1st. like both previous studies discussed, Hamer's results have yet to be replicated.  Again, it should be noted that a lack of replication does NOT mean a study is invalid; it only means the study's conclusions have not been confirmed by further research. 2nd. a later, similar study actually contradicted Hamer's conclusions. George Ebers of the University of Western Ontario examined 52 pairs of gay brothers, and found "no evidence" for a linkage of homosexuality to markers on the X-chromosome or elsewhere." [36]Ebers also, with an associate, studied 400 families with one or more homosexual males, and found no evidence for the X-linked, mother-to-son transmission hypothesized by Hamer. [37]

1st. Hamer’s argument, like those based on LeVay, Pillard, and Bailey's work, is illogical in that it assumes inborn means normal or morally acceptable. That assumption is faulty, for three reasons:a. First, "inborn" and "normal" are not necessarily the same. Even if homosexuality is someday proven to be inborn, inborn does not necessarily mean normal. Any number of defects or handicaps, for example, may be inborn, but we'd hardly call them normal for that reason alone. Why should we be compelled to call homosexuality normal, just because it may be inborn? [36]"Gay Genes Revisited: Doubts Arise over Research on the Biology of Homosexuality" Scientific American, November 1995, p. 26. [37]Ibid.  b. Second, inborn tendencies towards certain behaviors (like homosexuality) do not make those behaviors moral. Studies in the past fifteen years indicate a variety of behaviors may have their roots in genetics or biology. In 1983 the former Director of the National Council on Alcoholism reported on a number of chemical events that can produce alcoholism. [38] In 1991, the City of Hope Medical Center found a certain gene present in 77% of their alcoholic patients. [39] Obesity and violent behavior are now thought to be genetically influenced, [40] and even infidelity may be in our genes, according to research reported in Time. [41] Surely we're not going to say that obesity, violence, alcoholism and adultery are legitimate because they were inherited. So it is with homosexuality. Whether inborn or acquired, it is still, like all sexual contact apart from marriage, immoral. [38]Frank Siexas, former Director of the National Council on Alcoholism, quoted in the Boston Globe, August 8, 1983. [39]Dallas, Joe. "Born Gay?" Christianity Today, June 22, 1992 p. 22.  c. Third, we are a fallen race, born in sin. Scripture teaches we inherited a corrupt sin nature affecting us physically and spiritually (Ps 51:5; Rom 5:12). We were born spiritually dead (Jn 3:5-6) and physically imperfect (1 Cor 15:1-54). We cannot assume, then, that because something is inborn, it is also God ordained. There are mental, psychological, physical and sexual aspects of our beings that God never intended us to have. "Inborn," in short, does not mean "divinely sanctioned." 2nd. And finally, professional opinion is not unanimously convinced of the "Homosexuality is Inborn" Argument. Some researchers, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education, actually say the "born gay" theories are "unfounded and politically dangerous." [42] [42]Chronicle of Higher Education, February 5, 1992, p. A7

COMMENT:This article simple confirms what many of us have known for a long time: You can get ANYONE to do ANYTHING if you succeed in threatening them with the Fires of Hell.

If Chris Delaney is genuinely at peace with himself, I'm not going to second-guess him. But if thinks it isn't possible for someone to be a happy, well-adjusted Gay Christian, he's just wrong.  Username: PolishBear | On: December 28, 2008 at 11:21 a.m.

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COMMENT: The 2nd paragraph says it all: "I realized I didn’t even like that behavior." Homosexuals always LIKED that behavior for themselves. (This is such a broad statement.  I know many homosexuals who don't enjoy having gay sex!  Does this mean they are not gay? This is an absolutely silly and unfounded statement). Bisexuals like it sometimes and at other times they don't. (How would he know this for an absolute fact unless he was a bisexual himself?) Heterosexuals never liked that behavior for themselves. (How would he know this unless he is a heterosexual?  I would suspect that he's not a heterosexual so on what authority does he speak?)

This guy seems to be a bisexual who thinks his behavior - not his thoughts - made him unhappy. (this guy lost me here) His narrative falls apart if looked at:

- He says he was GAY, but DISLIKED sex with men. (I disliked some "kinds of sex." Due to having respect for our local newspaper, I made every effort to keep my level of conversation clean, so I decided to leave much to the readers imagination. I disliked certain types of sex acts [use your imagination])!  I was not saying that I disliked all types of homosexual sex acts. Because I disliked certains types of sex acts, does this make me not gay?  I don't think so. 

- He says one act - sex - somehow caused ALL the misery in his life placing himself in the psychologically pleasing role of "victim". I never made this statement. Furthermore, in every sexual situation that I was in sexually with another man, I was in full control of my decision to participate. I was never forced nor made to feel like a victim.  Never claimed to be a victim of others or by circumstances.

Truths:

- No real gay person is a victim of their sexuality - they like it. This is not a fully accurate statement.  No one enjoys having sex all the time. Depending on ones mood or feeling at the time, not everyone feels "up" physically or emotionally to having sex. It doesn't matter if you are gay, straight, bi-sexual, trans-gender, etc.  I never claimed to be a victim of my sexuality. I simply stated that at some point in my life, I decided that it was not a life I desired to live.  Does that mean that I'm a victim? I will say again, that there were certain aspects of gay sex that I enjoyed. However, there were also aspects that I did not. 

Bisexuals can DECIDE to go either way. Same can apply to above

Delaney is a whiny bisexual (never been a bisexual) fraud (never been a fraud) who enjoys a payoff (my payoff is happiness and a loving family) for being a victim (never a victim, only victorious) of his so-called gayness. His 'I didn't make my life bad, it was sex, which makes me a victim who triumphed over my victimizer' drama seems to require constant validation (My validation is in Christ alone!) from others. He seems to have set up his life to do only one thing: reinforce his dramatic personal narrative. (Some gays call Christians angry haters and intolerant as well as homophobic. Let this be a case in point! I've never spoke of someone else as this guy has spoken of me!)

Real heterosexuals can't turn themselves into real gays and real gays can't turn themselves into real heterosexuals. While it hasn't been 100% proven, (TRUTH) scientific indicators point toward sexuality and gender identity being hardwired into our physiology. (DOES THIS MAKE IT NORMAL OR MORAL??) (BTW the theory of gravity isn't 100% proven.)

Also, I hope people can spot the irrational 'a baseball is round, so is an apple; therefore I can eat a baseball' logic: “Some people are born with a genetic disposition to become alcoholics,” Mr. Delaney said. “Does that give them permission to live that way?” He is literally saying that being gay has a genetic disposition and so does the bad thing called alcoholism; therefore being gay is bad. (Director of the National Council on Alcoholism reported on a number of chemical events that can produce alcoholism. [38] In 1991, the City of Hope Medical Center found a certain gene present in 77% of their alcoholic patients. [39] Obesity and violent behavior are now thought to be genetically influenced, [40] and even infidelity may be in our genes, according to research reported in Time. [41] Surely we're not going to say that obesity, violence, alcoholism and adultery are legitimate because they were inherited. So it is with homosexuality. Whether inborn or acquired, it is still, like all sexual contact apart from marriage, immoral. [38]Frank Siexas, former Director of the National Council on Alcoholism, quoted in the Boston Globe, August 8, 1983. [39]Dallas, Joe. "Born Gay?" Christianity Today, June 22, 1992 p. 22)

People like him seem to use a lot of logical fallacies, fear and shame. (No fear and shame, just FREEDOM).  "Therapies" that are built upon these things are inherently harmful to people. (This is a popular and unfounded lie). Telling people that their suffering comes from their sexuality and not their perspectives/narratives/dramas is distilled. Username: Cristan_Williams | On: December 28, 2008 at 11:51 a.m.

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I would like to make a statement about someone who contacted me by email named "Roland."  He stated that he was needing help. However, after less that a month, he posted hateful comments as well as half truths on the Chattanooga Times Free Press website concerning me and the ministry. His main complaints about me was that I would never get back with him concerning the step by step process as to how I went from being a homosexual to a heterosexual. I've posted all our correspondences via email over the duration of our correspondences. The purpose in me posting these emails is to show you the level of communication that did actually take place between the two of us. Even though "Roland" did not get his main questions addressed (which was his complaint), he did get ongoing, proper and timely responses from me to a lot of his questions, even some very personal ones. He did request a detailed outline of the step by step process that I personally took in walking out of homosexuality. At the time of his request, I had every intention of providing with the information. When I told "Roland" that I would get the information to him, I simply over-committed. I did not consider the amount of work I was under at the time and due to that work load, I forgot about his request. Sending him the information he requested simply fell by the wayside. Not following up with him was not done on purpose, nor was it done to avoid him nor was it done to be malicious! Another reason I can think of for my failure in responding to him is the follow up procedures we have with our email service. No one has the authority to view ministry email but me. Due to our confidentiality policy, I am the only one who is authorized to view and respond to incoming emails. Perhaps if there had been a person assigned (in addition to myself) to review email requests, then I could have been reminded by that person to follow up with "Roland" request in a timely manner. However, as they say, "hindsight is always 50/50." The only thing I'm guilty of is being too busy. As accused, I am not obsessed with my religion. If I'm guilty of anything, I'm obsessed with serving my Lord. I love the Lord with all my heart and know that what I'm doing is pleasing to Him. Each and every person Christ entrusts to this ministry is given the attention and care needed.  Our clients are our priority. I will not apologize to my critics; for in their eyes, everything I do will be wrong anyway!  After "Roland" reminded me about forgetting to provide him with the list, I took notice of how the tone of his emails changed from being civil to becoming more belligerent (aggressively hostile) in nature (see emails below). As I sensed his growing frustration, I began to "pull back" in my email conversations with him. This is when I came across his posting on the Chattanooga Times Free Press website. I cannot remember whether he emailed me or I emailed him after I discovered his posting. However, I did tell him that I knew of the posting and that I had every intention of responding to him through the Joseph's Coat Ministries official website. You can read his response to this below.  I believe "Roland's" main purpose was to expose this ministry as a fraud (in which it is NOT!)

Due to the recent publicity the ministry has received (the article in the Chattanooga Times Free Press http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/dec/28/faith-said-change-sexual-orientation/ ), we have received quite a bit of negative feedback (refer to the above link). I believe "Roland" is not the persons true identity but one of many alias'. Below are the details of our conversations. Rest assured that confidentiality has not been broken in this case due to ones first and last name not being shared. Also, we strongly believe that the name given in these emails are not his real name.

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COMMENT #1:I read about your ministry on OneNewsNow.  I was interested to read about your ministry which is pretty close to where I live in Atlanta.  I just recently visited Chattanooga for the first time over the holidays to visit your all's aquarium.  Anyway, the question that came to mind was did you experience lust for women's bodies before you sought treatment for your SSA, and now that you are heterosexual, do you have lust for women's bodies?  I watched "Prayers For Bobby" over the weekend and I was a bit struck by what Bobby said.  He said that he dreams about men sexually, and I was wondering if you used to dream about men sexually, and now that you are heterosexual, in your dreams at night, do you dream sexually about men or women? I look forward to your response, and since I live fairly close I would be interested in coming to visit your ministry some time. Thanks "Roland"

Response #1: 1/26/09: Roland, thanks for your email.  No, I did not dream or lust about/for women before I became "heterosexual."  I did dream/lust for and about men when I was an active "homosexual".  Now, I don't dream about men nor women sexually.  I have a very healthy sex life with my wife of almost 7 years.  Thanks for your question.  Feel free to ask any other questions. Chris Delaney 

Comment #2: 1/26/09: Chris, I guess I'm wondering if you lust for women's bodies now.  I think that most people define their sexual orientation by which sex they lust for.  I'm sure as a homosexual you lusted for men's bodies, but now that you are a heterosexual, do you lust for women's bodies?  To put it another way, when you were homosexual you had the desire to do things with other men that could knock the bed down.  Now that you are heterosexual, do you have the same desire you had for men, but now its toward women, that could knock the bed down?

Response #2: 1/26/09: (I answered his questions within the body of his comment.  My responses are in Burgundy) Chris, I guess I'm wondering if you lust for women's bodies now. I could If I allowed my mind to go there.  I think that most people define their sexual orientation by which sex they lust for.  I'm sure as a homosexual you lusted for men's bodies Yes, I did!, but now that you are a heterosexual, do you lust for women's bodies? I am attracted to my wife's body.  To put it another way, when you were homosexual you had the desire to do things with other men that could knock the bed down. ha,ha.  Now that you are heterosexual, do you have the same desire you had for men, but now its toward women, only toward my wife, that could knock the bed down?  If I allowed my mind to "wonder" toward other women sexually, then it would definitely "lust" toward other women whom I found attractive.  I do find other women attractive physically but I don't allow my mind to "go there" sexually.  Hope this helps answer your questions. 
 

Comment #3:  1/26/09: Thanks Chris, this is helpful.  I do appreciate your honesty.  I just have a few more questions.  Maybe you could decide if we could meet in person.  I'm in Atlanta which is pretty close to Chattanooga.  Did you have any sexual attraction toward women before making your change of sexual orientation? I'm still unclear about your attraction to your wife's body.  Is you attraction lust for your wife's body or is your attraction just to the beauty of your wife's body. I know this is personal but do you now have the desire to perform oral sex on your wife and if so, how frequently do you do it?  Before you became heterosexual, did you have the desire to perform oral sex on women? In your biography, I couldn't make out the steps that you took to change your lust for men into lust for women.  Could you help me to understand what were the steps that you took.  For example, someone like Bobby Griffith who wanted so badly to be able to experience sexual arousal by women, what would have been the steps that you would have told him that you took to change your sexual orientation.  If the steps worked for you, then they should work for others. Thanks

Response #3: 1/26/09: (Again, I answered his questions within the body of his comments. My responses are in Burgundy.) Thanks Chris, this is helpful.  I do appreciate your honesty.  I just have a few more questions.  Maybe you could decide if we could meet in person.  I'm in Atlanta which is pretty close to Chattanooga.  Did you have any sexual attraction toward women before making your change of sexual orientation?  NO I'm still unclear about your attraction to your wife's body.  Is you attraction lust for your wife's body or is your attraction just to the beauty of your wife's body. I interpret Lust as an unhealthy aspect of sexuality.  God never intended sexuality to be focused in that way.  Lust is not natural.  Healthy sexual attraction for the opposite sex is healthy.  In other words, you see someone of the opposite sex that you find attractive (both for their outer appearance as well as their inner beauty) and you fall in love with them.  You then naturally want to be with them sexually.  You express your love to them through sex.  God's word says that when you are joined with your spouse sexually then you become one flesh...this is a mystery.  Lust on the other hand is unhealthy.  Lust creates mental bondage.  Lust creates a stronghold in ones mind.  Lust creates mental images in ones mind (sexual images and fantasies of others) that are not your spouse that creates problems in your life.  The Bible tells us to run from youthful lust.  Lust only leads us to bondage...bondage in the mind.  Lust enslaves us to sexual images such as porn in order to reach an orgasm, etc.  I don't lust over my wife's body.  I love my wife and because I am in love with my wife, I love her body and want to be with her sexually.  When we were dating and before I had fallen in love with her, I was attracted to her sexually.  When thoughts arose in my mind about us being together sexually (something lustful) I would immediately bring those thoughts under control and not dwell upon them because they would lead me to sin (masturbation, fantasy life, etc).  I know this is personal but do you now have the desire to perform oral sex on your wife and if so, how frequently do you do it?  Before you became heterosexual, did you have the desire to perform oral sex on women?  This is a very personal question in which I am going to choose to pass on.  In your biography, I couldn't make out the steps that you took to change your lust for men into lust for women.  Could you help me to understand what were the steps that you took.  For example, someone like Bobby Griffith who wanted so badly to be able to experience sexual arousal by women, what would have been the steps that you would have told him that you took to change your sexual orientation.  If the steps worked for you, then they should work for others.  It would take some time to lay those steps out for you (too much time to lay them out in this email.) However, everyone's story is different.  One formula cannot be applied to everyone.  I had such a desire for change and such a stamina and determination to see change that there was nothing that was going to stop me from achieving it.  Not everyone has that ability.  Another thing was my walk with the Lord.  Not everyone is willing to give Christ EVERYTHING...including their sexuality.  I was!  My Sexuality was not important to me.  Serving Jesus Christ was.  Finding that perfect man or woman was not a priority to me!  Instead, finding a deeper intimacy with Christ was my priority.  Finding a good group of friends who could support me in my goals was another crucial key.  I hope some of these things help you with your questions.  God bless.

Comment #4: 1/26/09: Thanks Chris, I really do appreciate you answers.  But one last repeat of a question.  Could you please identify the steps that you took to change your sexual feelings from men to women?  Starting from when you first decided to try to change your sexual orientation to today.  What did you learn from counseling?  What exercises did your counselor give you to do?  What did you realize was in your childhood that helped cause your same sex attractions and what did you do to overcome what happened in your childhood?  Please tell me some specifics of what you did.  Talking about being at the end of a rope.  I'm 17, my parents found out, I'm not in school.  I really relate to Bobby Griffith.  Please, no one is telling me step by step what to do.  No one gives specifics. 
 
I'm just asking one person to be specific step  by step and tell me what they did to change their sexual orientation.  Can you please tell me what steps you took right from when you first decided to change?

Response #4: 1/26/09: I think we should meet one-on-one.  What do you think?

Comment #5:1/26/09: Chris, I would really like to meet you.  My parents have me in Christian counseling right now since they found out.  I want to be in counseling.  My life has been a mess.  I got kicked out of my school when I got caught at school with a guy doing stuff.  That's how my parents found out.  However, my counselor is not an ex-gay.  And he has given me no plan or step by step process on how to change my sexual orientation.  He says that only I can change my sexual orientation.  But I don't know what to do.  Again, please, could you tell me step by step what you did to change your sexual orientation?  You don't have to respond right now.  Even if it takes a few days to think about.  You could put it on your bio on your website.  I really really need to know.  I won't be able to respond after my parents get home from work.  I'm not supposed to be on-line since I've gotten myself in trouble with meeting people on-line in the past. Thanks

Response #5:1/26/09: Let me comprise my thoughts over the next few days and I will work some things up for you to send on-line okay? (This is where I personally dropped the ball by being too busy at times. I work alone and it is sometimes difficult to keep up with all the day to day administrative duties of the organization and plan for an upcoming seminar which was in Feb.) I'll be praying for you.  Blessings, Chris

Comment #6:2/2/09: Hi Chris, I was wondering if you had written up the steps that you took to change your same-sex attractions into opposite-sex attractions.  I'm guessing you probably want to take your time with this because this would be very useful information on your website.  I have a feeling if the steps you took worked for you, then they are likely to work for others. Also, I think you or at least my parents must have been praying for me because they are letting me back in school next Monday.  

Response #6:  2/2/09: You will have to give me some time on this. As I stated before,  One method does not necessarily work for everyone.  There is no magic bullet.  I will be in touch.

Comment #7:  2/2/09: Did you follow the outline set up by Nicolosi in the article that you have linked to "What If I Don't Change?".  Or did you use some other methods?

Response #7:  2/2/09: We follow our own methods.

Comment #8: 2/3/09: Can you point me to where you got your method from?  If its a book, or an article, or something, I just want to know what worked for you.  I know you are busy.  I just thought this would be the first question that any person would have when they would come to you looking for help.

Response #8: 2/3/09: Sure! I got my method from the Holy Bible.  Hope this helps.  Be in touch soon.

Comment #9: 2/3/09: You said that you worked harder than what most people can do to become heterosexual.  If you were working hard at changing to become heterosexual, that means that you were doing something.  What were you doing? Also, what verses in the Bible told you what to do in order to change your sexual orientation? I'm not trying to offend by asking this, but are you not telling me how you changed because your ministry needs payment from me for this information?  

Response #9:2/3/09: I asked you to give me time to answer all your questions and it seems that you are not respecting that request.  I'm asking you once again to respect my wishes and wait for my responses.  Thank you.

Comment #10: 2/4/09: I'm sorry.  I'll be patient.

Comment #11: 2/12/09: Chris, I can't believe that I'm the first person who has ever asked you how, step by step, you changed your sexual orientation.  I can only assume the reason you can't identify what you did to change your sexual orientation is because either it would sound ridiculous or else you actually didn't do anything.  In the future, if you ever would like to tell me how you did it, I'm listening.  But until then, it will just appear that you are a fraud. 

Comment #12: 2/6/09: POSTED ON THE CHATTANOOGA TIMES FREE PRESS WEBSITE:
One of the strangest things about Chris is that if you ask him how he changed his sexual orientation, he can not tell you. I tried over and over to find out step by step how he changed his sexual orientation, and he will not tell me. He repeatedly told me that he would get back to me. But he never does. I then contact him again, and he says he will get back to me. He never gets back to me. He claims that we worked extremely hard for years to change his sexual orientation. And yet, he can't identify what he was doing to change his sexual orientation. Its clear Chris is obsessed with his religion. He has made it clear that he is less interested in helping gays than he is in fighting the "gay agenda". Username: EdgarAllan

Response #10:2/12/09: "Roland" I plan to post the comments you made about me on the Times Free Press website on my website and offer my feedback to you directly from there.  We have a great amount of people who visit our site and am sure they will find our conversation interesting.  I also plan to provide your real name on my website (if that is truly your real name).  The things you said on their site are distorted and one sided and I indeed plan to balance out your story with my side of the story.  You have no idea what is going on in my personal life that prevents me from responding to you in the manner that you so desire.  There are priorities in my life that take precedence over your demands.  If you remember, I requested that we sit down and have a conversation (which I noticed you had left out of your comments), so it is unfair for you to suggest that I had no time to have a discussion with you.  

Comment #13: 2/12/09: We're not in a battle.  My questions were sincere.  I won't bother you any more.
 

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